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Local Wikipedia: Wikipedia, but only for things a half hour walk from you (edjefferson.com)

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  1. 1. MajorTakeaway||context
    This took too long to make.
  2. 2. flohofwoe||context
    Maybe because Wikipedia has it as a builtin feature ;) (tbf I wasn't aware of that either):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby

  3. 3. refsab||context
    Very cool. Obvious in hindsight with every location having coordinates.

    Found an abbey around my place in Western Bavaria I didn't know existed

  4. 4. thatwasunusual||context
    I love it. It would also be nice to be able to a) enter desired distance, and b) choose the metric system.
  5. 5. kls0e||context
    thanks a lot, +1 für b).
  6. 6. ortichic||context
    c) select the Wikipedia language. There are some English Wikipedia articles for my region, but my local language Wikipedia has much more
  7. 7. dllu||context
    Cool idea! I had lots of fun looking at stuff nearby.

    Right now it seems that it simply removes links for stuff without a geotag that's nearby. But many articles are in fact nearby and are simply missing geotags, or perhaps encompass a slightly larger area where only a part of it is close by. Also, all the pictures don't have working links so I can't click on a picture to make it bigger.

  8. 8. noduerme||context
    This is super cool! Just punched in my zip code, and hit "random article" three times, and came up with three weird stories I didn't know about the history of places within a few blocks of me in Portland, Oregon. What an awesome idea for travelers!
  9. 9. jayknight||context
    Yeah, But I didn't really want to read this article as I was waking up...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_of_Ell_Persons

  10. 10. kubb||context
    Is it possible to change the language of Wikipedia? For many places, the local language Wikipedia has more articles.
  11. 11. snickerer||context
    Yes!! And with today's translation programs, the user does not even need to understand the local language. Better — for me — would even be a mix of languages. Give me the most and longest articles of all languages for the places around.
  12. 12. pastel8739||context
    Awesome, I found that possibly the first bookstore cafe was in Palo Alto on Cal Ave! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printers_Inc._Bookstore

    It's cool, but a bit sad, to discover establishments that used to exist nearby but don't any longer. It's not easy to do that otherwise.

  13. 13. phgn||context
    Yes particularly in SF so many of the historical buildings seem to be gone :(

    Because of earthquakes maybe?

  14. 14. aworks||context
    I bought many a book and saw various authors at Printers Inc., although apparently more than 25 years ago.

    Had some meaningful conversations at the Cafe (which I assume finally closed as well). I never liked the Starbucks across the street.

  15. 15. biotechbio||context
    Hello fellow palo alto person
  16. 16. TonyStr||context
    Super cool idea! Would love support for other languages, as English Wikipedia is quite limited where I live.
  17. 17. monegator||context
    same!
  18. 18. rf15||context
    Check out what slymax and esperent wrote in another comment[1].

    You can let it pick your own location, and if you rewrite the language prefix at the beginning of the url, you get that language's version. [2][3]

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby#/coord/15.90721...

    [2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby#/coord/15.90721...

    [3] https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby#/coord/15.90721...

  19. 19. tippa123||context
    +1 from me one but even with 'just' english I was surprised at the amount and quality of stuff in my area.
  20. 20. slymax||context
    Wikipedia has a nearby feature that works in other languages as well

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby

  21. 21. edwcross||context
    Which I never used because it requires permission to see my location, and at home, my ISP gives a location far from where I live anyway. So even if I allowed it, it would be meaningless.

    So, unless there is some way to manually enter a town name or ZIP code that I missed, the feature is unusable, which is a shame.

  22. 22. flipbrad||context
    There is: the link format is

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby#/coord/52.52000...

    Change the lat long to any you want, and change "en." to other language codes to search a different (language) encyclopedia.

  23. 23. fsiefken||context
    location can be set through browser add-ons or devtools/about:config

    https://www.location-guard.com/

    https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/change-geolocation-...

  24. 24. GJim||context
    > Which I never used because it requires permission to see my location

    A healthy mistrust.

    It's bizare how many people give their coodinates to any random website that asks for them.

  25. 25. djeastm||context
    Generally agree, but this is Wikipedia we're talking about.
  26. 26. jayknight||context
    You can go to any article with location data, click the coordinates to go to the geohack page with links to all kinds of data about that location, which includes a link to "List of nearby articles" which takes you back to wikipedia's nearby search for that location. So from the White House page:

    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House ->

    2. https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=White_Hou... ->

    3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby#/coord/38.89777...

  27. 27. trombuance||context
    Speaking of: All the OP link does is pull articles from Wikipedia. Am I in a minority in not seeing the point? When I read the title I expected it to be a site for locals to share their knowledge, that would have been really cool. It's strangers who'd benefit most from local knowledge, people generally know their homes and what's around them. It also didn't even work when I tried it and showed articles that were over 100 miles off the location I input.
  28. 28. Trigodil||context
    This is so cool, although I would like a feature to filter by subtopic or what the structures are used for (e.g. churches, bridges, museums).
  29. 29. slyall||context
    I found out that a closed church I walk past regularly was called "St Chad's"
  30. 30. Elucalidavah||context
    Related: OsmAnd has support for wikipedia-sourced points for the local offline maps. Not sure about the details though. Only related thing I found for an explanation is "Geospatial Wikidata Dataset", which is suspiciously fresh.
  31. 31. aembleton||context
    Comaps also has offline wikipedia entries. So you can be on a hill, and read about the iron age fort that was once there.
  32. 32. esperent||context
    This is a great idea but I'd definitely make the distance configurable. Where I am right now would need several hours walking to reach anywhere Wikipedia worthy but if I expanded to say a 15km circle there's probably a couple of places of interest.

    Meanwhile if someone lives in a city they'll get loads of results.

    EDIT: actually this is just a wrapper around wikipedia's nearby feature I think. I tried a couple of places and they give identical results.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby#/coord/15.90721...

  33. 33. parkersweb||context
    I have the opposite problem - I live a half hour walk from central Cambridge UK, so results are full of the tourist destinations!
  34. 34. hashar||context
    Disclaimer: I work for the Wikimedia Foundation, albeit in the infrastructure rather than in development / product.

    I like this feature a lot, but I do not know how it is implemented and whether it would be possible to have users change the range. Maybe it is hardcoded for some performance reason, I have honestly no clue. But I am giving below a few paths that could help one eventually improve the system.

    The page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby is powered by the MediaWiki extension https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NearbyPages .

    The source code is https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/extensions/NearbyPa... (GitHub mirror https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-NearbyPage... ).

    Issues/bugs are tracked at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/nearbypages/ , it is possible a similar request already exists there.

    Do note I am not in the development / product side and I have no view about their backlog or whether they have the bandwidth to review such an incoming review request or a patch.

  35. 35. csande17||context
    For what it's worth, the actual search backend seems to be implemented in the separate "GeoData" extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GeoData

    That extension exposes a public API that allows setting any search radius up to 10 km ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=query... ), so presumably there's no barrier to making the search radius smaller, but maybe there'd be performance issues if you allowed making it larger.

    (NearbyPages just embeds a Vue app into the page that makes a client-side fetch() call to invoke that API with a hard-coded radius.)

  36. 36. nottorp||context
    The Special:Nearby feature seems to support changing the language. nearbywiki.org is just English while the OP has a language switch but it's limited.

    Now I'm not sure if switching the language pulls in more results or just changes the article language...

  37. 37. alentred||context
    When you change the language you are essentially moving to a different Wikipedia site, so yes it does - it pulls the results from the local site you are on.
  38. 38. nottorp||context
    Ok so in theory you'll get the best results on Wikipedia in the local language... if the locals have bothered to fill in Wikipedia.
  39. 39. dukeyukey||context
    I'm in North London, 500 entries for me, including several pubs.
  40. 40. tannertech||context
    Correct. The default Wikipedia mobile app has this as well.
  41. 41. throwaway173738||context
    In the same vein all of my results are schools except two so it would be nice to have some filters on keyword.
  42. 42. dspillett||context
    > EDIT: actually this is just a wrapper around wikipedia's nearby feature I think.

    It does at least add a useful feature: being able to state a location to search from. The Wikipedia page (unless there is one other than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby that is more flexible) will only work off your current location, which is completely turned off on my work machine. Also upon checking on my phone, even with “desktop site” forced, the map looks to be an additional feasure too.

  43. 43. drivers99||context
    > The Wikipedia page [...] will only work off your current location

    You can put the coordinates of any location in the URL. One way to get that is in google maps, when you right click and click on the coordinates. Paste it where the coordinates go in the URL and remove the space after the comma.

    It appears to limit itself to 50 results though, which only got me results up to 930 m away from the location I picked near me.

  44. 44. zahlman||context
    > Wikipedia cannot determine your location. Please try again with a better signal.

    Oh, it doesn't try to fall back to geofencing, hmm?

  45. 45. mvdwoord||context
    Vey nicely done! One issue though, not many local articles in english here. I see no obvious way to change language?
  46. 46. timonoko||context
    https://wiki-map.com/ considered much better.

    Has local language too.

  47. 47. flipbrad||context
    Osmand for android also embeds results on the map, as an optional layer.
  48. 48. dyauspitr||context
    Very nice! It really should have a field to enter the radius of the search.
  49. 49. ChrisGreenHeur||context
    I guess it works but I have no idea what a yard or a mile is.
  50. 50. retsibsi||context
    Metric rules and imperial drools, I agree, but I reckon if we put our minds to it we can multiply by 0.9 and 1.6 (or 0.91 and 1.61 if you are genius). Keeps the mind sharp in this age of outsourced thinking!
  51. 51. numpad0||context
    A mile is supposed to be (1 / 60 / 360 / Earth.circumferenceOf()), so a 1.5mi radius or 3mi diameter circle is (supposed to be slightly short of) 3/60 or 0.05 degrees on a map.

    A yard is just 10% short of a meter, just the same thing for most practical purposes.

    (full disclosure: I did look these up)

  52. 52. vintagedave||context
    Like others, I agree this is very cool.

    I live somewhere pretty remote, and every article it suggests is an entry for a nearby village, which is usually a sentence long. There are other interesting things nearby: could it have some kind of variance function, so it looks specifically for a variety of content?

    Here I am, seeing something cool and immediately asking for changes. Spirit of the internet ;) Genuinely, it is a wonderful idea, and I admire the concept and that you did it.

  53. 53. user_7832||context
    Very similar, except I live in a very large city... but it's not an anglophile 1st world country, so tr list is full of streets and unis and roads. "Hey do you know your <location> features <location station>!?" lol
  54. 54. INTPenis||context
    This is a really fun idea, but I went from excited to disgusted in the span of one click.

    The first thing that pops up for my city of Malmö is the school stabbing that happened in 2022. They're so rare here, and yet Wikipedia felt I just had to see it.

    I'm not going to make stupid feature requests, but it would be cool with a filter for types of Wikipedia articles to show.

  55. 55. zulko||context
    I made a map of Wikipedia pages and events once [1] and a key decision was: which pages to show first, and which to show only when the user zooms in?

    I went with "let's show pages with the most words first". If people spent more time writing a page, it must be a great topic, right? Unfortunately, this also surfaces all the wars, crimes, accidents and controversies that generated the most coverage. These are the most active pages on Wikipedia.

    [1] https://landnotes.org/?location=u0q9wgry-5&paneTab=about

  56. 56. snickerer||context
    Content that is curated by interested humans, without commercial interests, is so good.
  57. 57. bcvvvy||context
    This is the World Wide Web I want to see. Amazing job. Thank you!
  58. 58. dzogchen||context
    Very cool idea. Would be even better if it had an option to use a local language.
  59. 59. darkest_ruby||context
    Distances measured in yards for European destinations is an insult
  60. 60. valleyer||context
    To convert to meters, multiply by 1.
  61. 61. Rotundo||context
    That's an imperial meter, a standard SI meter is about ten percent longer.
  62. 62. ButlerianJihad||context
    I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home; they're not much bigger than two meters!
  63. 63. adrianmonk||context
    Use the Force, Luke, but it's up to you to decide how many newtons.
  64. 64. bluGill||context
    For realistic purposes that is well within rounding error and they are the same. Most measures should not be that precise.
  65. 65. nkrisc||context
    Good enough for this.
  66. 66. ChrisRR||context
    Multiply by 0.914
  67. 67. pezezin||context
    > Distances measured in yards for non-US destinations is an insult

    FTFY. I live in Japan and it also shows me the distance in yards and miles.

  68. 68. roryirvine||context
    And mixes it with miles, too. Crazy decision.
  69. 69. flohofwoe||context
    Could that be a UK thing? I wouldn't know tbh, because between mixing yards and miles versus sticking to imperial units in the 21st century, the latter is definitely crazier ;)
  70. 70. petepete||context
    Yep, we mix them up. Distance and speed in miles, fuel priced in pounds per litre.
  71. 71. dukky||context
    And fuel economy in miles per gallon!
  72. 72. arethuza||context
    Driving distances in miles, walking distances in kilometers!
  73. 73. roryirvine||context
    And, though admittedly not really exposed much to the public, canals and railways both manage to mix chains in there, too... agh!
  74. 74. arethuza||context
    And thinking about the height of mountains in meters even though the reason for walking up them is because they reach a certain height in feet.
  75. 75. wkjagt||context
    In Canada we have imperial for short measurements (inches and feet for lumber, people's heights) but metric for longer distances (kilometers for driving distances for example)
  76. 76. ChrisRR||context
    I don't see the issue. Miles and yards are both imperial units.
  77. 77. ChrisRR||context
    Why is that crazy? They're both imperial units
  78. 78. roryirvine||context
    Because to convert from one to t'other, you have to multiply by 22 x 10 x 8 or whatever it is, rather than simply shift the digits.

    For example, there's a park that's 1 mi 180 yds from me - if you were to pick one and stick with it then you could say either 1.1 mis or 1940 yds, rather than mixing the two and expecting people to do multiple rounds of arithmetic.

  79. 79. ChrisRR||context
    Well yeah, imperial units are a mess. But keeping it all imperial or all metric is better than mixing the two
  80. 80. flohofwoe||context
    Hmm, I see metric distances (kilometers). Accessing from Germany. It's still using the English Wikipedia though, not the German one (which I think would have more local content).

    PS: there's a side bar link to switch between miles and km, I might have pressed that (was expecting to see some sort of distance map though instead of switching between 'imperial' and 'modern' ;)

  81. 81. jherdman||context
    Heh, yeah. I found the imperial units to be very jarring as a Canadian.
  82. 82. alnwlsn||context
    I rarely see yards used in the united states outside of football and other sports. Usually, distances to travel will go as feet, then right into miles. I can't think of many people who wouldn't say "quarter mile" over "440 yards". Anything less than that is in feet. Buildings and structures are measured in square feet, our long tape measures are usually labeled "300 feet" and not "100 yard", and in land surveying, measurements are often done in (decimal) feet.

    One place I do come across yards is in "a yard of dirt" (or mulch, sand, concrete, etc) where it means cubic yard.

  83. 83. charonn0||context
    You can choose to take offense, but that doesn't imply that offense was given.
  84. 84. zkmon||context
    I consider this to be far more progress for humanity than landing on moon or sending a spaceship to outside of solar system. That's because this move is in the right direction, while others are not. As a human, you need to first master your habitat around you, before getting excited or concerned about things that happen in another country thousands of miles away.
  85. 85. vasco||context
    You wouldn't even have spices thinking like that
  86. 86. zkmon||context
    You don't need them if they are not native to your place and if you are native of your place.
  87. 87. vasco||context
    Yeah no man, take your nationalistic crap somewhere else, I like spices and stuff from other places
  88. 88. geroge_kyaw||context
    Why not Grokipedia?

    https://grokipedia.com

  89. 89. bigfishrunning||context
    Having an encyclopedia entirely sourced in an LLM that is easily manipulated and prone to "hallucination" doesn't seem like a great idea, that's why not.
  90. 90. trombuance||context
    I was very skeptical of the idea of a bot encyclopedia myself, but after looking up a few random articles and comparing them with human-authored encyclopedias, I can't say it's worse. One of the articles was actually substantially less biased than the Wikipedia version.

    The LLM sources from the same reliable sources as Wikipedia (including Wikipedia itself). Wikipedia is arguably easier manipulated and known to be heavily astroturfed by governments, corporations and political activists. To manipulate Grokipedia you'd have to either hack xAI, which would almost certainly be discovered, or rewrite all its sources.

  91. 91. collabs||context
    The nearest place to me was

    > 0.8 miles

    Ok great I thought that I can walk...

    however, it is actually 1.9 miles when walking according to Google Maps and the path lacks sidewalks.

  92. 92. jamiescript||context
    Why is this not called Walkipedia?
  93. 93. tomthe||context
    Time to promote my project: https://tomthe.github.io/wiki-importance-map

    It shows all Wikipedia articles on a zoomable map. The size of the labels depends on its pagerank score and the pageview statistics.

  94. 94. jstanley||context
    Cool map but FYI most of the ones near me are just random buildings that don't even have Wikipedia articles.
  95. 95. tomthe||context
    Oh, yes. It also includes all Wikidata entries with geocoordinates, but they have the lowest "importance" and are only shown very small. You need to zoom out a bit to see places with articles.
  96. 96. syshyk||context
    Would it be possible to filter this to only show wikipedia objects?
  97. 97. tomthe||context
    If you open the menu, there are already some filters, but no filter to filter out Wikidata-only entries yet. Maybe I will add it.
  98. 98. phgn||context
    Wow this is surprisingly useful to explore local data, thanks for building!!

    I wonder: why are you calculating PageRank, are the wiki article views not enough?

    If I play around with the importance slider, PageRank seems to have much less difference between articles, highlighting just a few articles per city in large text.

  99. 99. tomthe||context
    Yes, the pageview statistics might be enough, but I started from the pagerank dataset https://github.com/athalhammer/danker

    And because of bot traffic, the pageview statistics are sometimes suspicious and noisy.

  100. 100. johnny_lol||context
    I used this during my walk around around Tirana, Albania this morning where I'm traveling right now. I learned some interesting history about the neighborhood I'm staying in. Also discovered some museums and buildings nearby that I'd like to check out now.

    When I visit a new city I usually spend time poking around Google Maps to discover points of interest nearby, but this will be another useful resource. Thanks!

  101. 101. suncemoje||context
    I was going to mention Google Maps as well - IMO would be useful to add reviews from there to get a better sense of suggested places
  102. 102. jcrawfordor||context
    My husband built this map browser for Wikipedia, in large part for travel planning: https://wikimap.wiki/
  103. 103. no1guangming||context
    Checked Hong Kong, not much on the page
  104. 104. phgn||context
    Omg I love this so much mate! Incredible how much more relevant nearby articles feel than the default to which you have no personal connection. I also think local news are much better/useful for the same reason.

    I'm working on something similar! Open World, an app that turns collecting nearby Wikipedia places into a game! [1]

    It started with you having to go to the place IRL to unlock the article/story, mostly so you find cool spots out on a walk. But slowly I discovered that most people go on walks somewhat rarely, so now it also includes a virtual Fast-Travel system using Apple Maps LookAround :)

    Oh, also a 3D map of the different neighbourhoods of a city to unlock one a time, plus narrative Quests to complete with the secrets you found, ...

    Local History is fun!!

    [1] https://openworldapp.xyz

  105. 105. izecube||context
    none Americans complaining about using yards is hilarious tbh
  106. 106. flohofwoe||context
    Neat! A whole 25 articles for my neck of the wood :D

    (although I guess the German Wikipedia would have a bit more content than the English Wikipedia used here)

  107. 107. kristopolous||context
    https://localwiki.org/

    Been around over 20 years

  108. 108. marcomezzavilla||context
    Yes, but coverage outside the US is surprisingly sparse. Many European countries (Italy, Spain, France, Germany, Greece…) have fewer than 20 points of interest each.
  109. 109. mxfh||context
    Because hosting with some other entity is not what you want for a regional focus where you want to set your own relevance criteria and licensing agreements ideally.

    Germany and Austria have quite a bit of local Wikis with more than 20 active editors. Usually as some entity adjacent to the cities archive or run by some local foundation.

    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regiowiki#Deutschsprachige_Reg...

  110. 110. ChrisRR||context
    Mine is all of the local schools and then a cold war nuclear bunker that I didn't know about
  111. 111. bbrks||context
    Same. Nearby villages, churches, schools, and then a random Edwardian sewage pumping station that is open to the public. TIL!
  112. 112. nomilk||context
    Weird psychological quirk: otherwise banal articles seem much more pertinent when they happen to be nearby (I just read about a random plane crash from decades ago but felt very invested in it, due to proximity).

    Wonder if this is related to the biological phenomena of humans tending to care more about humans who resemble themselves than those who don't (homophily)

  113. 113. benrutter||context
    I don't know if that is a psychological quirk - it seems pretty rational to me. We are more affected by events that happen close to us than those that happen far away, so instinctively finding local events more interesting than distant ones seems like what I'd expect[0].

    [0] Not that my expectation has any weight, I have close to zero knowledge of psychology.

  114. 114. deklesen||context
    Mhh i wonder how this would have evolved, since, you know, for 99.99% of time, humans didn't really get any information other than from their immediate proximity. And if they did (e.g. earthquake), it was very much relevant and should affect them.

    Just flaunting my ignorance of biology here.

  115. 115. benrutter||context
    I'm at least a tiny bit less ignorant on biology than psychology. I don't think this is the kind of thing that does evolve.

    Normally more general capacities than that evolve. We've evolved the ability to learn and adapt, and that's what we're using to create these heuristics. But I don't people evolve into individual beliefs/attitudes in that way.

  116. 116. altmanaltman||context
    I mean, it's the brain, not the world around it. Our brains haven't really evolved much while civilization and technology have been growthmaxxing. Same reason why certain social media posts can trigger a physical, emotional reaction, even though for 99.99% of the time there were no cellphones or social media.
  117. 117. hobofan||context
    Unless you are in a highly urban area, most Wiki articles will be about _places_ and sometimes _events at the places_, but usually not _events_ themselves.

    For things that affect people, I think the impact of the recency axis is significantly larger than the one of the geographical axis. e.g. I feel the effects of the Iran war in my daily consumer prices in my daily life. I don't feel the effects of a famous person being born two doors down from my place 200 years ago in my daily live.

    Of course highly local things, like e.g. local politics are also felt, but those are also barely reflected in Wikipedia articles.

  118. 118. shevy-java||context
    > otherwise banal articles

    I don't think it is quite banal. The focus is on distance, with distance being local. There is IMO nothing banal about that. And the article linked in is minimal rather than banal. (Also good thing you did not forget the 'b' there.)

    You can of course assume everything to have a manipulative focus, but I don't see it here.

  119. 119. tannertech||context
    There is a Stalin quote to this effect
  120. 120. dspillett||context
    I think¹ it is more likely just a function of how we judge danger. Something local could be relevant to us now (if it were ongoing, or was likely to occur again, or affects/affected someone we care about), something far away might be relevant to us later. Nearby or approaching animal sounds? Definitely pay attention. More distant animal sounds? Maybe keep an ear on that. A tale of animal sounds in the next valley? Only take much note if it is part of an otherwise interesting/entertaining story.

    --------

    [1] caveat: I am in no way a biologist, sociologist, nor psychiatrist - this pondering may be complete bunkum