First you must have another nationality to use its passport.
Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations).
This will not work in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national - and things get gross if you are. I don't know if you have such questions elsewhere.
> Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations).
This is illegal from a US perspective. US personal income tax is on worldwide income, regardless of where a citizen happens to be living. Some countries have mutual agreements with the US that mitigate that, but that’s the fundamental legal position.
> in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national
What I just described is precisely and entirely why those questions exist.
Take GDPR. If say a US website serving pages to the EU does not follow it at all, or even does everything the other way (collection, ...) the only thing the EU can do is wave their finger. Except if the site has options in the EU.
If you cannot enforce a law it is either dead, or you resort to bully actions like the US does (an example was Trump going account Iran the first time agent an agreement was signed, and telling the EU companies that if they continue to do business with Iran, their US subsidiaries will be fined)
> What I just described is precisely and entirely why those questions exist.
This is simply because we are chickens. Hopefully we will get rid of that someday.
No other country has such advantages like the US with the question about citizenship in financial documents. This is a disgrace.
That title tells you that neither the person making that comment nor the one that gave them the time of day ever lived or know what it’s like to be in an actual dictatorship and it’s disrespectful to those who did. If this is a dictatorship then wow, North Korea must be great.
I would never, ever renounce my citizenship voluntarily. It gives me access to what I call home, my friends, my family, a massive job market. Politics are a bit rough right now but imagine if that clears up in ten years time and you can't go back. Keeping my passport will always assure that I can get back to The Netherlands.
The efforts to divide and weaken the western world have been so massively effective that I sincerely wonder if there is not a state-sized adversary orchestrating all of it for years or even decades. The myopic glee with which people deconstruct their civilizational home from within is astounding, and it is hard to believe that is organic.
It's an informal coalition between the alt-right, the dirtbag left, the extremely wealthy, and Russian, Iran, and China.
Basically everyone selfish and myopic enough that they'd rather upend the table than lose the game was elevated, amplified, and funded by legitimate adversaries. Though, at the end of the day, the real perpetrators are, have always been, and will always be our moronic electorate(s).
Oh also our lazy, clout-chasing fourth estate bears a significant portion of the blame, though I'm convinced their initial contributions were accidental.
No grand conspiracy, just a lot of assholes and idiots and people who should have known better found out that it doesn't take all that much power to damage institutional trust, and got addicted to the sensation of destruction.
Then, if you do not plan to ever go to the US you can just forger about your US nationality and do not file any documents there, including taxes (which you pay in the country you are in, and hush away your US citizen obligations).
This will not work in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national - and things get gross if you are. I don't know if you have such questions elsewhere.
This is illegal from a US perspective. US personal income tax is on worldwide income, regardless of where a citizen happens to be living. Some countries have mutual agreements with the US that mitigate that, but that’s the fundamental legal position.
> in Europe, though, where anything financial has a question about you being a US national
What I just described is precisely and entirely why those questions exist.
Yes. It also need to be enforceable.
Take GDPR. If say a US website serving pages to the EU does not follow it at all, or even does everything the other way (collection, ...) the only thing the EU can do is wave their finger. Except if the site has options in the EU.
If you cannot enforce a law it is either dead, or you resort to bully actions like the US does (an example was Trump going account Iran the first time agent an agreement was signed, and telling the EU companies that if they continue to do business with Iran, their US subsidiaries will be fined)
> What I just described is precisely and entirely why those questions exist.
This is simply because we are chickens. Hopefully we will get rid of that someday.
No other country has such advantages like the US with the question about citizenship in financial documents. This is a disgrace.
Yes, so your point is? You seem confused.
What mitigation are you talking about? Does it apply to Sweden?
https://www.state.gov/06-831
For the record I am not a US citizen, fortunately.
Basically everyone selfish and myopic enough that they'd rather upend the table than lose the game was elevated, amplified, and funded by legitimate adversaries. Though, at the end of the day, the real perpetrators are, have always been, and will always be our moronic electorate(s).
Oh also our lazy, clout-chasing fourth estate bears a significant portion of the blame, though I'm convinced their initial contributions were accidental.
No grand conspiracy, just a lot of assholes and idiots and people who should have known better found out that it doesn't take all that much power to damage institutional trust, and got addicted to the sensation of destruction.